The trailing edge flaps are more traditional but with 28% fowler motion. The flap is fully coved until deployed at 2, 10, 25 and 40 degrees of deflection.
There is always a shifting of your center of lift (25% chord location) with flap deployment. The trailing flaps always move the center of lift aft. The leading edge flaps alone would move the center of lift forward. In the balance of this design, the LE slats are more powerful than the TE flaps and the center of lift still moves forward. This changes the controllability of the aircraft as the center of lift approaches the center of gravity.
Here is cross sectional study sketch. It is done on two separate planes. This is one of the great features of a hybrid 3D CAD modeler allowing any level of design. This study is done on different levels ready to be used to complete the design in surfaces then solids.
Here is an iso of the wireframe that shows the location of the separate sketches that will serve for the basis of the solid/surface modeling.
Jeff is slowly recovering from the input from the other designer using Rhino. He is quite excited about his progress in both CAD proficiency and the design. As you can see he is moving right along with the aft deck. He will be retiring from Delta this year and will put more time into the design. I am patiently waiting to get this airplane to a level where we can start making it a reality.
To effectively do aircraft design at any level you need a flexible hybrid 3D CAD modeling system. Solidworks was the first CAD system used and the original designer working with Jeff gave up. Jeff bought a seat of Solidworks 2005 and now he doesn't even have it loaded on his computer since we can access the SW native data directly with his current 3D CAD system if needed. Solidworks was virtually worthless since it did not fill the need for flexible integrated wireframe and flexible surfacing. An effective 3D CAD system should be able to use 3D CAD graphics from any system and treated it like natively created graphics. The Pro/e clones have a long way to go, if they can even get there.
Here is his latest work.
Jeff is not the only one of my friends designing airplanes. Selcuk Ozmumcu uses ZW3D's flexible hybrid modeling to create his new FreeWing Jet Powered Glider and many more projects. Selcuk is an incredibly creative industrial designer and is the most proficient and prolific 3D CAD modeler I have ever met. He is truly a master 3D CAD user. He actually shows the process he goes through to create this and many of his projects.
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Jeff called "Joe, I am very frustrated" He proceeded to explain the problems he was having with the work from another designer he was working with. He just could not work with surfaces. We planned a get together.
Here was the latest model.
Jeff was having a hard time working with this fellow and working with the design. I took a look at the work and found the fellow used weighted or conic blends. As you can see the difference below, the blend in blue and the circle in red.
You have to ask yourself, "Why would this guy use a weighted blend".
For the life of me, I have no idea why!! We are hardly concerned with aesthetics!
The Weighted Blend
I have had other problems with the use of weighted blends.
I was hired to do some modification on a finger stylus. This was a device you would slide on the tip of your finger to use on touch screens. You can imagine it was very small.
All of my CAD systems have direct edit functionality. We needed to make a few small changes. The plastic mold designer was having problems working with the original designer. Many times the designer is just "done" with the design. I am sure many of you Pro/e clone users have experienced that!!
It was done in Solidworks (we did not have the original SW file). I started to eliminate the blends or fillets. They would not delete. These were R .008 blends. With further investigation I found they were weighted blends on top of weighted blends. Who in the world would create "R .008" or "R .022" weighted blends? I was dumb founded. Hmm, when you zoom in things really look big!!
Think I am kidding??
What was going though this guys mind? These could not be deleted by direct editing. If they were standard fillets it would have been no problem.
Weighted blends are mostly used by industrial designers to make sure there is no tangent lines to distort the visual flow lines. I am probably using the wrong terminology. But here is the difference. The image on the left is standard blends or fillet the right is the weighted blends. You can see that the weighted blend gives a better visual effect and can be easily manipulated to create a more desirable effect.
I do wonder if this is nothing but a graphical presentation function and has nothing to do with reality in the machining of the parts. Who do I ask? The CNC folks don't care!! Inspection? I hardly think they are doing a study in visual effects. This seems to prevalent in the automotive body design. Maybe those folks have an answer.
But to use these for no reason is incredibly silly. In the finger stylus could a weighted blend this small even be noticed? Of course not.
On Jeff's airplane was it functional? Of course not.
Most of us will never use a weighted blend, nor will we need to.
Back to Jeff's Problem
I showed Jeff what the fellow had done and it was like a light went on. "These self defined surfacing experts seem not grounded in reality." Just because we can do something doesn't mean we "have" to do it.
We need good hybrid modeling to do much of the aircraft design. We need the ability to use wireframe, surfacing and solids interactively. But the goal is always to create a good editable solid model. Real world parts are not surfaces they are solids. I have to admit a few times in the past I have left the part composed of surfaces not being able to heal them into a solid. But today's CAD solid modeling kernels do a great job of healing.
Here are the solid parts (left) and the surfaces (right).
Who ever thought this would be a lesson in weighted blends??
Jeff has been struggling with getting the design the way he wants. Most of the problems is with the lack of 3D CAD knowledge. He is using one of the best hybrid 3D CAD modeling packages but finds himself stuck in self-created corners.
Using 3D wire frame, surfacing and solids together requires extensive experience. As many of us know we can spend hours to figure out how to do something and it ends up taking 15 minutes to do the process.
Surface design can be a profession. It has levels of proficiency from just enhancing your solid modeling to full surface scupturing. Airplane design requirements are basically in the middle. Most mechanical engineering surfaces are not arbitrary but driven by the precise requirements of the design. While this can be simple to those that are expereinced it is very frustrating for those that are not.
Jeff pushed me out of the loop, thinking the grass is always greener. He picked up a fellow with a more "Proficient" surfacing system. Surface design can be tedious, frustrating and time consuming if the tool cannot do the job. The fellow left him a bit high and dry.
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I actually started working with Jeff after the original Solidworks designer just gave up. To do this kind of work requires a functional integrated hybrid 3D CAD modeling system.
Jeff is going to come by next week and go over some of his problems. It should be fun.
Here is Jeffs latest work. You can see where the blends are being applied. But there are many transitions that need free form surfacing.
We had a great conversations about cooling intakes after I saw how they handled it on the P-51. Here is the picture that sparked my interests.
Jeff looked into this question on cooling intakes and this is what he found.
"Just read an article about boundary layer thickness on airplanes. It reconfirms my idea that a "diverter" or fence would not be necessary for my scoop under the wing as regards air entering from under the wing. With such a short run of air from the wing leading edge to the scoop entrance, the boundary layer will have grown to less than .5 inches. That in my mind does not call for a diverter.
That same boundary layer growth along the fuselage to the side of the scoop will have a boundary layer growth to almost 1.5 inches at the scoop to fuselage juncture. That calls for a diverter of fairly small size and as well I would take the "low energy" boundary air and divert it into the engine enclosure that is already turbulent in it's flow. The engine cooling air exits at the gap just prior to the propeller - this part of the design was thought out some years ago ... also with some conversation with my aerodynamicist friend, Dave Lednicer.
The P51 scoop shows a boundary layer growth to greater than 4 inches. But look at the length of run from the nose of the aircraft to the scoop location. That length (and the turbulence from the prop blast) is the determining factor in boundary layer growth."
Here is Jeff's latest work on the aft deck. Jeff's has been using 3D CAD for quite a few years and he finally decided to take it serious and become a 3D CAD designer. I had to drag him kicking and screaming.. LOL.
Jeff is mostly done with the Canopy, but now needs to work with the aft deck as it relates to the new Canopy. Back to 3D CAD to work it out.
We haven't done much with engineering but I thought I would give an update.
Jeff is a hands on guy and wanted to get started. I am waiting for him to get to the point where we get back to designing the controls, instrumentation, landing gear, engine installation, propeller, etc.
I did talk Jeff into sending some pictures of his progress.
“The canopy is a test copy of an F-16 canopy that was used in destructive testing prior to being discarded to a junk yard in Weatherford, TX (30 miles west of Fort Worth and General Dynamics where the F16 was built). I have had it for a few years now.” Jeff tells me.
This canopy is the basis for Jeff's airplane. Everything is built around it. Not that it is going to be used, but it was a great starting point. See a few more picture of Jeff and the project below.
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Here are a few Pictures of Jeff working on the airplane:
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Notice in the history tree, there are surfaces and solid parts making up the assembly. The assembly comes into one easily manageable file in both programs. Imagine not having to worry about your assemblies until you design is complete. It may even offer a new way of handling data management or PLM.
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